Nov062011

POSTED AT 07:43 AM

Hey Guys,

We just finished a Unit on Greece and Persia.  The passage of reading, "Beer and Wine in the Ancient Wolrd" gives us some insight on how valuable wine was in Ancient times.  Why do you think wine was so valued in the Meditteranean World? Why do you think there was there less mention of wine consumption in Mesopotamia (Iran and Persia)? BLOG AWAY...remember, this is a HOMEWORK grade
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  • Ben Grau

    I believe that wine was valued in the ancient world because it took over a year to prepare. This rare availability would make it more expensive and valuable. I also think that there was less mention of wine in the middle east and mesopotamia because there were less grapes to come by and make wine from. Only the richer could buy grapes, and so wine was valuable and for the rich. Beer, however, was more easily made from wheat and barley (and it took less time to prepare), and so it was more readily available and more for commoners.

    11/6/2011 10:55:18 AM
  • Zhanee Booker

    I think that they value wine more in the Meditteranean world because it was more scarce and they had more usage for it.Although in the Persia and Iran they might have less usage for wine and maybe they just don't really have a care for it.

    11/7/2011 2:16:31 PM
  • Zachary Shipman

    Religion had a lot to do with wine and beer. In chapter five they talk about jewish and Christianity. Passover with jews they drink five cups of wine. Now in mesopotamia there was less religion. Religion just getting started. It was more about farming and the rivers. Also in greece and persia there was more trade will mesopotamia it was more what you could grow

    11/8/2011 2:09:09 PM
  • Pearl Ham

    Well, I think wine was so valued in the Meditteranean world because it was so difficult to make and it was precious to the kings and rulers of the regions. At the time Iran and Persia did not mention wine consumption in Mesopotamia that much because it was so readily avaliable for them then any other place and it was a everyday thing.

    11/8/2011 4:49:17 PM
  • Andrew Smith

    I believe wine was thought of with such value in Ancient Civilizations because of how interesting and different it was. If you think about it people then didn't have the variety of things to drink that we have today. In addition to that the fact that it was available to the upper and lower classes must have made it very popular.
    I also believe that the culture and religion of people in Mesopotamia was why there was less mention of wine consumption in Mesopotamia. Their climate was less suitable for growing grapes and beer was more popular.

    11/8/2011 4:56:13 PM
  • Gavin Washburn

    I think that wine was valued for its portability and longevity compared to other drinks. Mesopotamia doesn't seem to have the right climate for wine production so they just had to drink less due to not having any to drink.

    11/8/2011 8:31:46 PM
  • Ben Lambert

    People enjoyed beer and wine immensely, and it became something of a social custom in many cultures, with subtle intricacies and customs. The Persians may have lacked subtle intracacies of drinking in their culture that the Greeks had, but it is more likely that the Persians simply did not bother to record their drinking practices, and when they did Western civilization did not consider it as important as Greek drinking practices.

    11/8/2011 9:56:56 PM
  • Ivana Moore

    I believe wine was very important, because they had to work to make it. Anything that you have to work at, you're going to appreciate more than not working at it. I think their were less mention of wine consumption in Persia and Iran, because they don't know much about it, or in Persia and Iran it wasn't as important as it is in the other civilizations, empires, dynnasties, etc.

    11/9/2011 2:38:19 PM
  • Zariah Bell

    Wine was one of the trade items and was used for everything. I think it was less mentioned because wine wasnt a trade item.

    11/9/2011 4:31:38 PM
  • Casey Williams

    Wine was valued so highly in the Ancient World, because filtering it created jobs, and the sharing of beer from the same vessel represented a bond in friendship between the ones that drank from it. Also, special mugs and pitchers we used for drinking and storing of beer and wine. Mesopatamia probably did not consume as much wine because it is made from grapes, and beer can be made from wheat or barley.

    11/9/2011 4:56:14 PM
  • Frank May

    I believe that wine was valuable in the Ancient World because it was related to several religious beliefs/rituals. There was also probably less Mesopotamian wine consumption because the grapes for wine grew better in Greece and it's surrounding countries than in Mesopotamia.

    11/9/2011 5:36:49 PM
  • Rambert Tyree

    Wine and beer were valued so greatly in the Meditteranean world because it had many purposes and the feeling that beer and wine gave them was good. There was less of a mention in Mesopotamia because they didn't use it as much. The climate in Greece was more suitable to grow grapes and make wine.

    11/9/2011 5:50:43 PM
  • Chase Putney

    Wine was valued in the Meditteranean world because it showed how wealthy and how rich you were. Wine also did not have to be refigrated this allowed easier transportation. There was less mention of wine consumption in mesopotamia because they only drank the best and most pure type of wine.

    11/9/2011 5:58:09 PM
  • Sam Espiritu

    Wine was valued in the Mediterranean world because, it was only used for religious and ceremonial purposes, and it took a long time to ferment. I believe that there was less mention of wine consumption in Mesopotamia because, it's hard to grow grapes which are needed to make wine.

    11/9/2011 6:27:54 PM
  • Ahman Duncan

    In the Meditteranean world wine was a major part in their diet.In Mesopotamia wine was a religious and ceremonial beverage only used for special occasions. Since the process to make wine was lengthy they didn't want to waste wine so they valued it and used it only for special occasions. Also it was harder to grow grapes due to the harsh climate, making the wine making process even harder.

    11/9/2011 6:29:12 PM
  • rakshith raghu

    I think that wine was more valued in Meditteranean Society due to the fact that only the rich could potentially afford it in the beginning. It probably still kept its value even when it spread to the rest of society. There was probably less mention of the Persians on this subject because the Persians left very little behind and much was destroyed by Alexander the Great and many civilizations that arose in that area afterwards. Most information about the Persians would come from the Greeks who despised them as the enemy.

    11/9/2011 6:32:45 PM
  • Uriah Huffman

    Reading the passage wine and beer was so valued because it was taken by the elite and common people. It was the one thing that wasnt "divided" by class. It was aslo valueed because mediterranean people used this for religious conventional ceremonies as offerings to gods. It also created specail bonds when taken by several people by one cup. I think there was less mention of consumption of wine in iran or persia because thier agriculture and lands probably did not have the right conditions to grow grape viens to make wine or make beer and they probably didnt participate in alot of trade with greece who had substantial coditions to make wine.

    11/9/2011 6:36:15 PM
  • Grayson Hubbard

    I believe that people thought that it made them "high class"and "richer" people. I think it was valued so greatly because it was a "special drink" that could make them have a completely different personality, but overall I believe it was because it was a drink for the higher class.Wine was more common in the Mediterranean because their climate was better for growing grapes to make the wine out of. It was less common in Mesopotamia because they did not have very good growing conditions so the only way they could get it was through trade, which would make it a very limited supply of wine.This is why they didn't have wine very often.

    11/9/2011 7:43:47 PM
  • Christian May

    Greece and Persia were vast, large, prosperous empires thriving on trade. They had rich farmland, good climate, and a central position. With prosperity comes leisure, at the very least for the upper classes. These people would have been more than happy enough to idle away their time drinking wine, giving it a more social aspect than that of the hardworking middle eastern classes. By contrast, Mesopotamia were more harsh, strict governments based off of a hardworking, poor class. Many less people had the opportunity to enjoy alcohol. Also, the Mediterranean is perfect for growing grapes, which ferment into wine.

    11/9/2011 9:06:59 PM
  • Rachel Rose

    I believe that and wine were valued maybe because it provided variety. Before, the only thing they had to drink was water. Now we have tea, soda, juice, etc., but back then all they had was water and wine. Another thing that would make it valuable is that doesn't need to be kept cold so it would be easy to trade and transport.

    11/9/2011 9:28:56 PM
  • Jadea Knight

    I think wine was so valuable in the Mediterranean world because it was maybe a sign oh happiness or goodness in taste. I also assume that in Mesopoitamia they mentioned wine less than the Meditarrean because it was less important to them.

    11/10/2011 6:20:27 AM
  • KamilahHeartwell

    Hey Guys,
    I think many of you have a grasp of why WINE was the beverage of choice in Greece and Rome; grapes were grown in the Meditteranean Region. Also, they imported WHEAT so...they wouldn't be drinkers of BEER. I thought it was particularly interesting that the Greeks considered the Persians to be "scandolous" because they didnt dilute their wine with water. It is a testament to how people always think THEIR way of doing things is MORE correct than other cultures...this is called, "ethnocentricism". The Iranians, or Persians, were drinkers of BEER because wheat was readily available in the region (the Fertile Crescent).

    11/10/2011 2:11:36 PM
  • Helen Goggins

    I think the Mediterranean civilizations treasured wine because wine was not as available as it is today. I took over a year to prepare and only the rich could afford wine. The reason wine was not common to the Mediterranean region is because grapes did not grow in most of the region. They were not common so the only people that could afford the high price of wine was the rich.

    11/10/2011 3:43:09 PM
  • Amanda Belfiore

    I believe that wine was more values in Medditteranean world because the lands where more sutiable for cultivating graps to produce wine. Also unlike beer, wine did not have to be refrigerated. I think persian and iranians drank more beer than whine because of where they lived and how there crops contained mostly weat to produce beer and also wine was more exspensive. The persias and iraninas drank undiluted wine which would use alot more wine at one time then the medditeranian world would which would make the wine also harder to afford.

    11/10/2011 5:11:38 PM
  • Vicky Baker

    I believe that beer and wine were valuable in the Mediterranean because they were a status symbol in the ancient world. Since wine was used in religious ceremonies, if you could drink in day-to-day life they you were a person in a position of power. Also if fresh water was scarce then you would know that beer and wine were safe to drink.
    In the case of Persia, since it is a mixture of many cultures, the religion was not the same throughout. So, even though beer or wine might have been important in one culture, it may not have been in another. This makes the use of wine and beer not as widespread, and not as important in their life.

    11/10/2011 5:13:44 PM
  • Carrie Ripley

    In my opinion, wine was considered that much more valued because it took them over a year to make it. Which is probably why it is referred to as "moonshine" bacause they had to wait that long just to get wine. Beer, on the other hand was made easily and in a shorter amount of time then wine- consisting only of wheat and barley- this drink would only require a harvest to make- not an entire year of "settling". The mesopotamians were too busy fighting with eachother and making soldiers for them to actually have time to farm and processs the wine, they probably thought of it as a waste of time.
    Heyyyyy Mrs.Heartwell!:3

    11/10/2011 5:34:35 PM
  • Carrie Ripley

    In my opinion, the reason wine was considered so valuable was because they had to wait for about a year to have it made. While beer on the other hand only consisted of wheat and barley, things accessible through farming- this did not take them a year to produce either. In mesopotamia, they were too busy fighting each other and making evry one into warriors that there were no farmers available to provide for feasts. If you were a farmer, you provided for your family alone. It is also hard to have the leisure to just make wine when there was so much other work to be done to keep the house together- the mediterranians would hire slaves to help them.

    11/10/2011 5:53:31 PM
  • Madison Garman

    I believe wine was more valuable due to the fact that wine created a sense of euphoria that couldn't be found elsewhere. The wine would have been the perfect relaxation for a eary farmer coming home.

    11/10/2011 8:00:30 PM
  • Harley Owen

    I believe wine was valued more in the Mediterranean because they had the good farmland and soil and the temperature was right to make wine. It also put you in a higher social class if you drank wine because it was not cheap and only wealthy people could usually afford wine. Wine was not only used for social classes but many people used wine for their religious beliefs

    11/10/2011 8:43:37 PM
  • Mia Luna

    I think wine is valued so much because it is what the gods and goddesses drank. It wassnt mentioned in the mesopotamian area because they didn't have alot of big gods and goddesses they worshipped by drinking wine.

    11/10/2011 11:00:17 PM
 

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