Oct262009

POSTED AT 01:14 PM

Ancient China was developing along side those first civilizations in Mesopotamia and in India. Science tells us that the ancient relics of Chinese boats found on the coast of Oregon, may lead us to believe that China discovered North America long before the Norsemen (Vikings). 

Chinese invented gun powder, the astrolabe (navigation tool), and many items that allowed men to explore, trade and aid in the development of civilizations. 

The Chinese are still extremely disciplined, regimented and dedicated to their culture. Western culture has changed China very little in our exchanges in modern times. Is it the culture, the isolation of China as a Communist country or simply the disregard of western culture due to the lack of discipline. Western music, clothes, language and manner is not respected, only fun or interesting to many. 


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  • anthony scerbo ped2

    well china may have discovered the west side of america first but i think something happened to them during that time and western music, clothes and other things were just for fun in our civilization.

    10/26/2009 5:00:06 PM
  • Rachel Pool

    I think that part of the reason why the western parts of the world are less disciplined is because there are few communist countries left. in countries where there are looser rules, it allows the citizens to express themselves more and in such places as china, the people living there are confined.

    10/26/2009 5:53:07 PM
  • MsShariWorldHistory

    Excellent point, however, China was not always Communist. That changed in the 1940's with Mao. Their traditions and strict cultural conduct seems to have been established for thousands of years. I wonder if their religious influences, and Dynastical Leaderships have created a civilization that is unable to be anything else rigid.

    10/26/2009 8:44:50 PM
  • Braxton Moon

    I think china did dicover the western world before the vikings. but i think something happened to them while they were on there vast andventure. and i think the reason the western part of the world is less disciplined is because there arent as many communist countries.

    10/26/2009 10:39:21 PM
  • Jen Ross period 3

    Interesting facts that you just listed.
    I think China is a very interesting culture and the way they live and dress and the foods they eat.

    10/26/2009 10:40:51 PM
  • Fernanda Garcia

    I believe that China has not been very effected by the western culture because of the control their government has. The people of china can't say whatever they want, and their internet, movies, and news are all censored to what the government thinks is "appropiate" for them to know. The government is much more strict than those in other countries. I think it's that way to protect the culture the Chinese have established for centuries, or to set them aside from powerful countries like England and Amercia.

    10/26/2009 10:54:51 PM
  • Erin Lunsford

    I totally agree with Rachel. The Western parts of the world are not as diciplined beacause there are few communist countries left in the world. Now if that werent so, they would probably be a lot more diciplined and China hasnt really changed their cultured because in some ways, they are so isolated.

    10/26/2009 10:58:16 PM
  • David Feetterer

    To add on to what Rachel said i belive that you will notice that many western counties and some newer countries in the east put a much greater importance on earthly possesions and do not hold elders in an almost sacred place.American has turned into people who just want to live there own lifes and not assist in any way benefitting elderly people.

    10/26/2009 10:59:22 PM
  • Stefan Rosic

    I think that the chinese have stayed the way they are because they have acted that way for thousands of years. A couple trends and changes from other cultures will effect the chinese, since after all they have maintained stability in their societies norms and have surpassed many other trends.

    10/26/2009 11:21:34 PM
  • nick goergen p 6

    I think that the reason that china has maintained their state of seclusion is because they view us and our things music etc. as disgraceful. The Chinese value honor above all else honor for their family honor for their country anything other than that is not tolerated by them

    10/26/2009 11:45:02 PM
  • Haley Bardzik

    I think that the way the Chinese are brought up and raised,their culture encourages them to be uniform and follow the norm. as opposed to our western culture encourages endividuality, uniqueness and we want to be different.

    10/26/2009 11:57:17 PM
  • Courtney Smith

    Ya i think that the religious influences probably have alot to do with why the Chinese are so strict. I don't really know what what the religions are most dominant there, in the past or today, but I would guess that maybe there are a lot of fear tactics involved, threatening that people will go to hell if they do not live up to full potential. I don't know, that is just a complete guess. But for some reason the Chinese are very driven to succeed and be the best in every possible way, no matter how extreme the process of reaching that goal is. Westerners government is completely different and it allows people to express themselves and handle themselves in whatever manner they chose. China, i am almost positive, is Not like that.

    10/27/2009 12:25:54 AM
  • Mikkboss, 6thh

    Isolation of Chine, because they didnt dress the same, talk the same, or believe in the same. I think it would have to do with religon. Western's clothes, music, language, and manner is interesting to many.

    10/27/2009 10:21:14 AM
  • Aidan Moore P-2

    I Believe that the Chinese are a well rounded country, they are disciplined in many things they do and their culture is very different than ours.

    I'm not so sure that the Chinese discovered western countries before vikings but i do think that the boats way have drifted that far.

    10/27/2009 4:59:49 PM
  • Clint Leavitt Period 3

    I think that the reason they are so disciplined and rigid not only results from their communist state, but from their strict history. Take the Great Wall for example. The leader of China, Qin Shi Huangdi (and I know how to pronounce it) made the peasants and countryfolk of China build it. This made the Chinese people very strict and disciplined because they knew that if they were not, it could result in death.

    10/27/2009 5:02:29 PM
  • Rachel Pool Per. 3

    i agree with ms. shari. china has always had strict leaders and powerful armies. their laws are not the same as western laws. i think that their religion focus also could have been a factor into why they are so close to the rules.

    10/27/2009 5:09:53 PM
  • eric grzelak p3

    i think that china has remained isolated because of its closed borders to all countries bordering them and because of there unique system of speech and writing .....how many people do you know that speak Chinese ...now compare that to the number that speak Spanish. I also think that they are separated because of how different they they are from the rest of the world with there culture and it also makes it shameful for them to change their belefis or ideals.

    10/27/2009 5:50:03 PM
  • Meagan Rieck period 2

    Tom understand is to truly know, in anycase China is basically a great country that had discovered most of the obsticles and they dicovered most of the sceince products that we have today. We have basically the trade of what they found or built.

    10/27/2009 7:06:26 PM
  • teresa v per.2

    I think it's sad that we can be free and be able to express our selfs. but over in China it seems like you have to keep to the rules and nothing else. But i find it very neat that the chinese made all of those tools and weapons.

    10/27/2009 7:24:11 PM
  • Eavan Lynch period 2

    Wow I didn't know that Chinese boats were found of the coast of Oregon! Yes China seems isolated and I doubt that their culture will ever change because well its their culture. We have looser rules over here because there is a mix of people, culture,and ideas from all over the world.

    10/28/2009 5:06:25 PM
  • Hayley Robbins Period 6

    Those are both good points and my opion is that the chinese were smart to invent those things. It is great that they were dedicated to their culture and had discipline. But through time i think they got to caught up in the discipline that they had to offer that they took the commuism to far. The western music, clothers, language and manner were just fun for them because they were busy doing other things that they thought were more important.

    10/28/2009 5:22:16 PM
  • ilya yurgayev

    I believe that the western parts of the world are undisciplined because there is less and unharsh punishments.

    10/28/2009 5:26:50 PM
  • tasha

    I think that the chinese weren't changed by western culture because of both the isolation that china has, and the fact that we are not very disciplined.

    10/28/2009 5:49:46 PM
  • Alice kelling Pd4

    I think that.. most of their accompishments come from their genetics and cultural upbringing.. even though they were isolated through communism,i still think there abilities are somewhat genetic..

    10/28/2009 8:05:42 PM
  • Savanna Sucanick p.4

    I think it may have to do with the fact that they are islated. So they don't know much of what goes on in the west. Since the culture and way if life is so different they dnt notice much. They aren't really interested.

    10/28/2009 10:45:58 PM
  • Beto Estrada

    china makes outsourcing easier

    10/28/2009 11:07:42 PM
  • Branden Leathode Wedwick

    That's pretty cool how the Chinese were able to do all that. I mean (not to be racist) but the Chinese people tend to be very hardworking and nothing seems to distract them.

    If you look at modern China, they do tons of studying and most of them practice martial arts.

    10/28/2009 11:28:07 PM
  • Emily Dahl P.4

    i feel that since China feels so intuned to their ancestors that they are able to continue embracing thier culture and traditions. Since they are a communist country these festivities and traditions may be their only way to truly get back to thier roots and appreciate their history and have better hopes for the future.

    10/29/2009 1:01:13 AM
  • katie scott period 6

    i think that countries such as china are more old fashioned when it comes to their people, what they do, and how they live their lives. in america and other countries people are free to be them selves, practice any reliogion, and live their lives in many diffrent fashions. thats why i think china is so well garded when it comes to reliogion and the way people are civilized.

    10/29/2009 4:44:26 PM
  • Caleb Redd p.3

    What happened with the western civilizations in my opinion: so many diverse people came to AMerica all at once that our cultures all blendid. Therefore there wasn't a standard set for discipline. BUt people in China have mainly all always lived and always will live in China. that is why their traditions stay the same, while ours are out of control. BUt, most would admit ours is a little more exciting and we have more freedom.

    10/29/2009 5:00:18 PM
  • Zack White Per. 3

    I agree with Racheal and Ms. Shari. I think their culture is still so strict because of their leaders. Most if not all their Dynasties had strict leaders with harsh consecquences to what may seem un-ruley for them, but socialy accepted for us.

    10/29/2009 5:24:34 PM
  • Chris Beresford P.4

    I agree Rachel, civilizations under Communism, such as China have very few freedoms. The government runs their lives strictly and tells people what they can and can't do, what they can and can't buy or make, etc. The people themselves aren't always wanting to be so disciplined, the government constantly watching them makes it that way, or they will be killed.

    As for inventions and devices made and invented by China, they were a superpower in the trading world. Business was a major part of their economy and still is today, thus why much of the products we use are made in China.

    10/29/2009 5:27:56 PM
  • tj

    i think its amazing that china could keep from changing for that long especially with all the modern day distractions. but if you realy think about it its easy to understand, due to how many centuries they have been living that way.

    10/29/2009 5:50:41 PM
  • Nick Fillhouer Per. 4

    I think that the reason China is still so strict with their rules might be because they don't want to risk losing control over their people. If China gives their citizens more freedom to enjoy themselves they could rebel against the government of China which is something that Chinese leaders do not want. So I think that they feel, "If it ain't broke don't fix it". They do not want to risk losing there population.

    10/29/2009 6:47:17 PM
  • emmy sowerwine p.3

    It is probably true that the Chinese found America before the Vikings did. Since their boats were found in Oregon. They were probably just too focused on exploring and trading to want to stay and claim the land, because that is how their civilization worked.

    10/29/2009 7:21:27 PM
  • emmy sowerwine p.3

    I agree with Rachel, I think that some of the reason for the westerners to be less diciplined is because of very few communist countries. Even though they havent always been communist, they have always been more strict and heading in the way of communism.

    10/29/2009 7:25:23 PM
  • Jane McDaniel

    I agree with you, Ms. Shari because just from wheat we've learned about the establishment of Asia, their religious views and government standards demand such strict rules and regulations. Even though Communusum was just added, I think China has always been that way.

    10/29/2009 9:13:39 PM
  • zack sumner

    Westerners are more about fun because there are less rules to follow as a respectful citizen and what and what is not allowed as for china the people are more formal

    10/29/2009 10:18:40 PM
  • Erin Lunsford

    To me it seems like china doesnt want to imbrace other cultures and everthing is a lot of fun and games. This ofcaorse is do to lack of dicipline!! If China would have more dicipline they would be bettter and maybe more diverse? its possible i assume. Even thought everywhere else in china are better diciplined and run by the communist part, i thinlk that they could all still work on it!

    10/29/2009 10:42:44 PM
  • Connor Andrews

    All of the above because cultures tend to stick to their own, they are so far away that we almost have no contact, and we are much much much different from china in the sense of discipline so they might be inclined to think bad things about us and ignore us.

    10/29/2009 10:49:38 PM
  • Brittni Wolfe

    China has always been a very disciplined country even if its a communist country or not. The Western side of china just was able to express their selves in fun interesting ways.

    10/30/2009 1:55:34 AM
  • Will Huff Per. 6

    im not even sure if people from other countries really think western society is a just all fun. i think most countries still respect America. and if a country does not like western civilization its probably because we stereotype them or make fun of them first. i dont know about the rest of the west but America is a country open to tons of cultures and accepts them all. of course they're are a few that hate certain cultures but there's nothing we as a country or western peoples in general can do about it because there will always be those kind of peoples. its up to the people of other countries to judge us fairly based on the majority not just the few people that dislike them.

    10/30/2009 6:57:57 PM
  • Jason Perez Period 4

    It sounds like the Chinese are a very organized country and they get things done. Maybe thats why they come up with some of the smart technology they have came up with. Maybe we need to do the same.. Will that be better for our country?

    10/30/2009 9:36:39 PM
  • PhilliesPhan93

    I agree with Rachel, I think that because of China's Communist nature and the shear population that they have, rules have had to be imposed over the years that we, as undiciplined westerners, think are ludicris. We have been given more freedom as a country to express ourselves, and we have. To a Nation as conservative and constrained as china, (The Child limit, the massive workload put on them by the rest of the world, Etc.) We still must seem like a bunch of Hippies

    10/31/2009 9:37:19 PM
  • courtney Smith

    I think this is very interesting because usually, I find that geography and the resources that are obtainable to people are the largest factors to the overall outcome of a society, but in this case I do not know why Chinese are more strict and disciplined than westerners are today. All I think of of is that maybe somewhere along the way one of their leaders had that drive and was so influential to the people of his time that everyone embraced his ways. I know that sounds really out there but i really have no idea

    11/1/2009 1:08:03 PM
  • iana stein period 3

    stating to how the chinese were believed to have possibly have discovered north america first it seems almost right. since the chinese invented gunpowder and navigation tools it almost seems logical that they may have been the first ones to discover america, and others had just not known.

    11/1/2009 1:09:06 PM
  • iana stein period 3

    i don't agree that the westerners are less disciplined because of their being only a few communist countries left. i believe that it is how the society we live in ha changed and grown throughout so many years. what influences society later on has an influence on the people. China may have stricter rules making the chinese people more well-behaved, but the impact of communist countries doesn't seem to be the answer to why westerners aren't as well mannered.

    11/1/2009 1:13:26 PM
  • Justin Borowski Period4

    I think it is that China doesn't like the western countries because they think we are not disciplined enough and I also think that Western culture like muxic, regular clothes(not a suit) are just for entertainment in our culture now a days.

    11/1/2009 3:58:54 PM
  • bryanna zarate pd 3

    Many things come from China and people only value the things they make for us rather than their culture. And I think it's the simple disregard of Western Culture because of lack of discipline.

    11/1/2009 9:54:33 PM
  • Ariana Brookin period 2

    I think that the western parts of the world are less disciplined because of the clothes, language, and manner is not respected. It was just for fun. China sounded like they were kind of strict but at the same time they know what they wanted and when they wanted. They didn't sit around and wait for somebody to come and tell them what to do. They figured it out themselves.

    11/2/2009 11:57:26 AM
  • Julio Salinas

    I believe that it's disregarded by choice, the chinese the westerns are lazy and spoiled, they are not isolated.

    11/2/2009 4:59:10 PM
  • Lorre Rogers

    yea china may have found the western part of america and along the way there was a wall (figuratively speaking) that they had to over come. so i think that this changed the music the clothing and all the other ativities that they had to make it more fun.

    11/3/2009 5:07:11 PM
  • Megan Green

    I think the reason of this is that western part of China developed in a more modern way, and the other half of China still practices their old culture and traditions.

    11/3/2009 5:54:37 PM
  • Melanie Hale

    I'm sure if they are soo strict on rules and cultural conduct, they are strict on religion. Even here we have arguments on religions whcich can change how we see things. Plus sometimes when people are hit with their beliefs they get dead set, therefore leading to change.

    11/5/2009 6:01:07 PM
  • ally antila p2

    the chinese were such a strong nation that they were able to with hold their traditions even as the modern western world was changing and evolving around them. but i still believe they arent entirely dedicated to their traditionnal culture today. There clothes, music, and other aspects of culture have been influenced by other cultures and changed a bit. but there disciplines and rules have pretty much stayed the same. i wonder what the chinese did to keep their culture and disciplines by being overpowered by the influences of the world around them?

    11/9/2009 10:46:19 AM
  • alysha b per. 4

    i agree that there arent that many communist countries left and that that may be a huge reason why they are less disciplined today. everything that they used for the civilization was amazing. they are very smart.

    11/10/2009 10:10:37 AM
 

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