Ms. Shari's Classes World History and Criminal and Civil Law

Comments

• Brady Stanley

  Yes, it is incredibly hypocritical of the Catholic Church to let people think for themselves, but then burn them as a heretic. It's a lot like when the Ford Model-T came out, with the slogan, "You can have it in any color you want, so long as it's black."

  2/8/2009 5:10:50 PM
• MsShariWorldHistory

  Great Analogy Brady. It is interesting that the period between Medieval and Renaissance left people wondering who to trust, church or government. Seems the case for modern times.
  
  Even the reformers were and still are clear about their message being the right message. I wonder if a non-denominational church could have survived in these early times.

  2/8/2009 5:20:57 PM
• eileen farry

  Yes it is hypocritical. If you are going to burn someone at stake for doing something you cant just turn around and do it yourself or even stand by and watch someone do the same thing.

  2/9/2009 1:52:08 PM
• Lauren Griffin

  I think it was really hypocritical but its understandable because in that time the church and everyone in it was corrupt. As the saying goes "ingorance is a bliss" the people who couldnt think for themselves and when the two most important things during that time, the monarchy and the church were weakend, they both were challenged.

  2/9/2009 4:57:22 PM
• Kyle McGinley

  I think that was very hypocritical of the churches back in renaissance times. I also think that it would have been impossible to have a non-denominational church back in those times because anyone who didnt agree with the catholic church was burned at the stake. Even if they had formed a very large group of people that said they believed in this non-denominational religion, they all would have been burned of put into jail.

  2/9/2009 5:31:52 PM
• Emily Riordan

  I think it was very wrong for the church to scare their followers into doing everything they command them to. I agree with Brady that the people must have been confused who to trust, but kept silent for fear of being accused of herasy.
  Thankfully this is not the case today.

  2/9/2009 6:17:06 PM
• bryce clancy p7

  The church gains followers by sending out missionaries. Most Christians don't believe in the new scientific technology that is coming out because they don't believe that humans should be able to create other humans because that's God's job

  2/9/2009 7:00:07 PM
• ian

  i believe that it is hypocritical for the catholic church to say you can think for yourself but if you say it then you'll be accused of heresy and then burned at the stake. i believe there are still more people that believe in a higher power but there is a lot more diverse religions

  2/9/2009 7:01:27 PM
• steven 6

  i agree with ian that its hypocritical of the catholic church to burned people for heresy when they told them they can think for themselves.
  i also agree that there are more believers in a higher power than just an explosion and poof were all here

  2/9/2009 7:06:43 PM
• edwin

  brady has a good point , the churchs were so strick , they would tell you to obey and all that stuff and if you started to read about the religion they would burn you , that time period was confusing because like mr.shari says Renaissance left people wondering who to trust, church or government, and since there is alot of diffrenet religions and diff systems of laws then the goverment , like that one religion anabaptists , that dont have to obey the laws andthey dont have to go to the military ,

  2/9/2009 8:45:13 PM
• veronica cuellar

  i like for example bardly did , its true the church tells you too do something and if you go over board you will pay for it , like you had to be really religious and faithful to god or whoever they believed but if you read the bible or went to deep consceopts of the relgion they would kill you because they didnt want people to go and believe on something else or think by themselve .and its true what mr.shari said renajissance leave people wondering who should they trust the govermnet or the church since each of they they had different laws or rules that they had to follow

  2/9/2009 9:01:05 PM
• AUSTIN BROWN P6

  i think it is hypocritcal because religion is all based on who? god! so if one person believes god is something else due to there believes, arent they still believing in the same thing?

  2/9/2009 9:33:24 PM
• Ryan Uber

  the church wouldn't let the people think with logic without burning them for being a heretic. untill martin luther was expelled from the church and created the lutheran church.

  2/9/2009 9:52:00 PM
• Tanner Sherlock

  I agree with Brady too, I also think its hypocritical of the catholic church to tell people to do whatever they wanted and then crucify them when they did their own thing. It definently not a moral thing to do. Although the church was just trying to get some cash money. Remember Get Money Get Paid!

  2/9/2009 10:12:03 PM
• MsShariWorldHistory

  Aren't all religions hypocritical in some respects? During the 1300-1500's people lacked the education and ability to stand up to the Catholic church to demand change or answers. The next moment the people were listening to the clergy tell them to be a good person, help the poor, follow the 10 commandments and pay tithing. It was a sin to do many of the acts that the church and government were doing, but yet they made excuses when they tortured and or killed innocent people.
  
  Martin Luther saw the corruption from the inside and took a stand. He did not fear his God or his salvation, he feared the clergy. IF he was not challenged what would have happened to history?

  2/9/2009 10:56:11 PM
• Anthony Reyes

  I also think its hypocritical of the catholic church to tell people to do whatever they wanted and then crucify them when they did their own thing.

  2/9/2009 11:04:44 PM
• Dustin Everson

  I think that it was hypocritical for the church to tell people that they are sinners or heretics or that they can't speak freely or challenge the teachings of the church when the church it self is being untruthful to the people. The church thought that people thinking for themselves was a bad thing until it weakened the power of the monarchy. Churches were calling people who were untruthful sinners but at the same time committing simony and changing there laws or rules to benefit the church. if you think about it churches back then were a lot like the monarchies they hated. They both gained support trough fear, money, or power.

  2/9/2009 11:12:16 PM
• Cameron Kauffman

  Not all religion's are Shari... most are not. Catholics were insane in the time of Martin Luther and someone had the guts to stand up and stop them.

  2/9/2009 11:22:37 PM
• taylor mccabe p.7

  i too agree with brady. i think thats its extremely hypocritical of the catholic church to say one thing and then go completely aganist it. to me it makes no sense. you could be a good person, who believes in god, and obeys the teachings of the church, and listens to what the catholic church has to say, yet doing what they say is the wrong thing to do ? and then geting punished for it ? thats doesnt even make sense. if i wouldve been involved with that, i wouldve just kept quiet.

  2/9/2009 11:28:14 PM
• michael flis

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  i think the church is trying the best it can to keep its followers. I see that more and more people are starting to question the authority of the church. People are being more informed about science vs. God. I believe that one day there will be a war about this.

  2/10/2009 12:37:43 AM
• Kristy Flores pd.4

  Yes Mrs. Shari all religions are hypocritical. I also think its hypocritical of the catholic church to tell people what do and think and how to worship the religion. Its not a moral thing at all. If you believe in god you should believe on what YOU want to BELIEVE. Not what other people believe. We humans shouldn't believe in the same thing.WE al need our opinions.

  2/10/2009 9:51:39 AM
• eileen farry

  brady makes a good point. The Cathlic Church is so strict. Its easy to call them hypocrits.

  2/10/2009 1:08:22 PM
• Ashley Doyens

  The church was extremely hypocritical to tell the people hat they have the right to think for themselves and then burn them as a heretic if they didnt like the way the people thought, but then i think each religion is some what hypocritical in some sense.

  2/10/2009 2:17:34 PM
• Brittany Bottema

  I think it is very hypocritical of them to tell poeple to have their own opinions but not very many did because they knew what the consequences would be if they did have their own opinions. And as Ms. Shari asked, arent all churches hypocritical: YES! They teach you things and usually expect you to believe only that and to not have your own opinions on things.. I know as being a mormon thats how our church is run and that they are also very judgemental...Who all your priests or Bishops or anyone for that matter to judge you? God will judge you at the last day and that is all that matters and back then they obviously didnt think like that. Also do you think God would want to kill others for haveing their own opinion? Back in those times they thought they were doing God's work by burning people at the stake but in all reality God would NEVER do that, he died for us and not so that we could kill others!

  2/10/2009 4:49:33 PM
• Elizabeth Anderson p.7

  I agree Lauren. It was hypocritical, but for the time it was understandable because people could not think for themselves. It is bad that they made people obey with fear. It taught people to be afraid of everything

  2/10/2009 4:55:14 PM
• veronica cuellar

  well in my thoughts i think challenging or challenging your self, makes you wanna achive things and makes you wanna do better , if it wasnt for martin luther challenging his religion and going aganist people , i think things would still be bad , torturing people, but since luther saw the wrong things. for example catholics believed that Purgatory is a place that a believer goes so he can be purified to enter heaven but Luther believed that purgatory was not an actual fact but a place created by the Catholic Church for the gain of money.if luther did not go against the church and if he didnt write the 95 thesis ,i think that we would still be ruled by the Catholic church ,because no one would want to challenge their religion ,so thats good luther stood fot what was right !

  2/10/2009 5:33:16 PM
• Jennifer Sager pd 7

  I agree with Brady. Yes I think its hypocritical that the church let people do what they wanted but then they would burn them.

  2/10/2009 7:58:21 PM
• Alek Rosic

  Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
  
  It may be corrupt in a way that you can not pay for your sins to be erased or to be burned at the stake for being a non believer, but it was the times back then and they just had to live with it and should of followed the rules.

  2/10/2009 10:10:13 PM
• Hannah Cook-Kelley

  I agree that "catholic religion" was harsh and hypocritical at that time. Religion is a vague term. What does that honestly mean? It was a dictatorship but it was a blessing to get non-denominational churches out of all of this!! So now we have freedom of choice.

  2/11/2009 8:52:00 AM
• Cassie Stout

  If Martin Luther King Jr didn't stand up, we might still have slaves today. We wouldn't have the same rights and we might still follow the church. Plus the churches we have today do little corruption.

  2/11/2009 9:16:37 AM
• Michael flis

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  I like brady's analogy. I think that the carholic church brainwashed people in a way because it was either believe the church or die. People had no choice but to listen to the church. They could not think on their own. People were just forced to believe what they were told.

  2/11/2009 9:24:03 AM
• Kyle McGinley

  I agree with in that some religions can be hypocritical at times. I also think that if MArtin Luther was not challenged, nobady would have seen the problems in the church and no one would have made a stand out against the hypocrisy and wrong-doings of the church.

  2/11/2009 4:36:44 PM
• andy baker

  i think that it is very hipicrtical to burn someone for thinking for themselves.and the church was thinking for themselves so don't you think that they should have been burned to?

  2/11/2009 6:40:44 PM
• Reed Hansen

  i think it is hypocritical that they let people make fun of the monarchs but they were not allowed to talk crap about the church. Now people are able to voice their opinion about the church and tell others about their ideas and now there are many more possibilities to who god is or if there is even one. Scientists are even voicing their opinions about the big bang and transformations from bacteria to humans.

  2/11/2009 6:42:29 PM
• jaren smith P.6

  i think that the church today is way different because nobody like cuts peoples head s off for disobeying things. i think it fares with science and technology that its proving that maybe there isnt a godd, which i dont agrree with.

  2/11/2009 9:07:14 PM
• lisawper6

  its hypocritical of the catholic church to burned people for heresy when they told them they can think for themselves. but i think its wrong to burn someone at the stake even if they have a different opinion on religion....

  2/11/2009 9:45:33 PM
• MsShariWorldHistory

  Everytime I think I am not getting through to you turkeys, I am so proud of y'all for your great thoughts and opinions. Love the analogy Alek!
  
  Kyle sure pulled out a point, that if Martin Luther did not challenge things we would not have known.
  
  I suppose all groups including Governments, Religions and every entity that has it's beliefs, procedures and standards has hypocritical moments. However, it is most interesting that when we speak of our civilizations and historical developments, our learning seems to always be connected to some sort of religious influence.
  
  Fear of a God or Gods lends itself to man's evolution spiritually, physically and socially. If the Catholic Church was not the culprit of such historical events, then would it have been so different?
  
  Great dialogue!!!!!! Make sure you repeat what you think you understand when you read someone's blog before you present your opinion or comments. IT helps me know you are reading the blogs.
  
  Proud of you all!!!

  2/11/2009 10:09:06 PM
• Elizabeth Anderson p.7

  Brady's analogy is really good. It explains how the people thought back then and how controlling they were with other people. They would not give anybody a choice

  2/11/2009 10:48:16 PM
• bryce clancy p7

  I agree and disagree with kyle, i think that many religions are hypocritical at times. But i disagree that Martin Luther would've been the only one to stand up for what he believed in. I'm pretty sure that sometime along the road someone would've stood up for their beliefs. I definitely think that Martin Luther's actions changed many peoples minds and it was a great accomplishment which not many people would've done.

  2/12/2009 8:05:36 PM
• jaren smith 6

  i think that its very hypocritcal for the church to that to the people. Its not fair that those people were burned just for doing what they believe. Even when some of the church people also believed them. Those peeps are just soooo stupid it's def not cool !!!

  2/12/2009 9:02:10 PM
• korey kulpins p.7

  I agree with Elizabeth the people in the church were very hypocritical and when it came down to who would have the most power, no one could over rule the church so they were granted the leadershiip role in those times.

  2/12/2009 9:33:43 PM
• Tanner Sherlock

  Steven Lindquist knows wassup! I agree with him that the church was very hypocritical in what they did. Also i agree with Kyle McGinley That if Martin Luther was not challenged than nobody would have noticed that the church was wrong in doing what they did.

  2/12/2009 10:30:08 PM
• tyler goldy per7

  they way i see it is thats what the world was built on in those days and in some cases it still exist today the only reason why the church did what they did is so they maintained a controlled enviroment they told people it was ok to make fun of the monarchs because they had no interest in them but if they caught people disssing the church they had to show who had dominance in that situation so people would continue to be inder the scrutiny of their thumb and i do agree with elizabeth frm period 7 how people were controlling with other people and the used the lord as their excuse to do so

  2/12/2009 11:21:40 PM
• Brynn Cummings

  I agree with Elizabeth. I think that it was hypocritical for the catholic church to punish people who thought for themselves. I think that many religions today still have a tendency to act in ways that don't reflect the beliefs they teach. Obviously the punishments are not as severe now but often times you are treated as an outsider or looked down on because you question authority. Nobody wants to hear that they are wrong and even when you want people to think for themselves, no one likes to be contradicted. The Catholics did what they thought was neccessary to maintain their power.

  2/13/2009 12:22:38 AM
• Brynn Cummings

  I agree with Bryce. I think that humans are trying to play God now that technology is improving so much and we have resources that have not been available before. I think that that is wrong and God will be just fine without our help. It is so arrogant to think that you have the right to do those things anyway.

  2/13/2009 12:31:39 AM
• Michael flis

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  I agree with ian that it was wrong for the church to tell people that they could.say what they want but then if they didn't agree with them they burned them at the stake. I also agree that religions spread out and people are believing in different things. The catholic church does not have the same power as it did before.

  2/13/2009 9:17:49 AM
• Brittany Bottema

  I agree with Jaren that yes churches have changed a lot since then, and that technology could be the reason that a lot of people are choosing to believe that there is no God, but there is nothing we can do about that because now days we have the freedom of religion and we can think whatever we want!

  2/14/2009 5:06:57 PM
• zyon cavalera

  i think that aleks statement makes very much sense the science of nowadays is making religion look less legit

  2/17/2009 2:22:22 PM
• eileen farry

  `I agree with Elizabeth. Brdy makes a very good point.

  2/17/2009 7:53:52 PM
• Mikali Birt p.7

  I also agree that some religions can be hypocritical at some times. I also believe in what kyle says about if Martin Luther was not challenged, nobody would have seen the problems in the church and no one would have made a stand out against the hypocrisy and wrong-doings of the church. therefore the church would not be what it is today.

  2/17/2009 11:58:29 PM
• lisaw per6

  i think that the church today is way different because nobody like cuts peoples heads off for something like that. people back then were really contorlling and rude. now days people are the same but they dont cut some ones heads off for it......

  2/18/2009 11:23:37 AM